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TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => PF1 討論區 => 主题作者是: 老炮灰鸽子 于 2020-07-11, 周六 12:52:05
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看说明 炼金的法术是对自己生效 ，不能理解 共同系的怎么生效。。
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同问
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不能生效。
我个人倾向于点了灌注后可以传递给队友。
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实际上炼金还有龙息/噩梦这种对敌法术。。。
以及，点了灌注之后非接触的多人法术（例如加速）需要用何种方式生效（是如同正常法系施法/需要走接触）也。。。
我自己的团里是判学了灌注的炼金可以按正常施法那样把buff类药剂分出去（表现为把加速术药水撒到一群队友身上），但这个也是和团内炼金pc仔细协商后的。。。。
白猫给出的化合炼成hr（决定版）
0 喝炼成是标动（掏出时间算入），吃借机，吃sr
1. 对盟友的触摸法术无法摸队友，但可以利用灌注给他，叫他自己喝然后自摸。可以整轮给失去意识等状态下的队友塞。
2. 对盟友的距离法术照常使用。
3. 共用xx系列用Sean的个人说法，每人舔一口。
4. 对敌人或其他距离/范围法术照常使用，例如龙息/侦测xx/鑑定术/...
以上，对炼金本人和拿到灌注的队友都生效
仅供参考
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Paizo论坛上有人问过炼金表共用法术问题，Sean 回复：
1、作为官方回复，只能对自己生效。因为这个法术法师有共用版本，炼金也可以抄才自然，而且又不是憨憨术士，抄书不值钱，想抄就抄。
2、作为DM的回复，点了灌注接触可以传递，每个人（物理上）舔一口。
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神奇的是，萨满似乎没有任何共用法术，即使他有抵抗/防护能量，也不能共用
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https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n89j?Alchemist-Communal#2
希爾大佬提到的文章。雖然我沒有100%的證據，但我覺得Sean K Reynolds是煉金的設計者的可能性很大。
Officially...
Alchemist extracts only affect the drinker. You can't split it up.
As to why these spells are on the alchemist list at all:
(1) You'll note that the regular alch extract list includes water breathing, which is a communal-type spell, so there's a precedent for it.
(2) The alchemist isn't limited in the number of spells he can learn. So, if he wants to learn the communal version of an extract, he can do so--unlike a sorcerer, he doesn't have a fixed limit to his number of extracts known, and learning it doesn't keep him from learning other extracts later.
(3) Many of these communal spells are on the sor/wiz list, and the basic spell is on the alchemist list, so if Spell A is an extract and a wizard spell, and Communal Spell A is a wizard spell, Communal Spell A should be a extract as well. Even if it's not an efficient use of the alchemist's extract slots. Especially since an alchemist can translate a wiz spell into an alch extract if it's on the extract). Basically, if an alchemist never bothered to learn spider climb, but he finds a spellbook or formula book with communal spider climb, he should be able to make use of it, even though he probably has better options for his level 3 extracts.
Unofficially...
If your GM is okay with it, there's no reason why an alchemist with the infusion discovery couldn't make an infusion of a communal extract, allowing multiple people to sip from it and apportion its effects.
But, just like kissing sailors, that can spread diseases, so be careful.
所以龍息/惡夢或其他打敵人的法術，當然是只能打自己啦。
另外補充，使用化合練成會吃藉機這不是hr，是官方規則。
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炼金的多人buff是不是只有"共用communalXXXX"这类？
帖子上这一、二、三我感觉分开来都能看懂，但是不太明白他想说啥，能不能解释一二？
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https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2n89j?Alchemist-Communal#2
希爾大佬提到的文章。雖然我沒有100%的證據，但我覺得Sean K Reynolds是煉金的設計者的可能性很大。
Officially...
Alchemist extracts only affect the drinker. You can't split it up.
As to why these spells are on the alchemist list at all:
(1) You'll note that the regular alch extract list includes water breathing, which is a communal-type spell, so there's a precedent for it.
(2) The alchemist isn't limited in the number of spells he can learn. So, if he wants to learn the communal version of an extract, he can do so--unlike a sorcerer, he doesn't have a fixed limit to his number of extracts known, and learning it doesn't keep him from learning other extracts later.
(3) Many of these communal spells are on the sor/wiz list, and the basic spell is on the alchemist list, so if Spell A is an extract and a wizard spell, and Communal Spell A is a wizard spell, Communal Spell A should be a extract as well. Even if it's not an efficient use of the alchemist's extract slots. Especially since an alchemist can translate a wiz spell into an alch extract if it's on the extract). Basically, if an alchemist never bothered to learn spider climb, but he finds a spellbook or formula book with communal spider climb, he should be able to make use of it, even though he probably has better options for his level 3 extracts.
Unofficially...
If your GM is okay with it, there's no reason why an alchemist with the infusion discovery couldn't make an infusion of a communal extract, allowing multiple people to sip from it and apportion its effects.
But, just like kissing sailors, that can spread diseases, so be careful.
所以龍息/惡夢或其他打敵人的法術，當然是只能打自己啦。
另外補充，使用化合練成會吃藉機這不是hr，是官方規則。
白貓喝化合練成了? 那我要借機，目標是你的化合練成
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我一直以为龙息这种是喝完以后喷出来杀敌
如果炼金表那个4环没用的话，就是钦定龙息药+反刍了，感觉好蠢....