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主题: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: 涅薇儿·德拉诺尔2014-04-17, 周四 23:02:12
今天讨论的时候,某人表示,使用灼热射线的角色,会因为“施法”和“做出射击攻击”而各自产生一个被AO的机会,但我觉得这既然是一个动作里面发生的事,应该无法被多次AO。

另外,SU能力里面有远程攻击的(比如虚弱射线),是否还是会因为远程攻击行为而被AO?
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: 子虚子2014-04-17, 周四 23:46:22
远程接触攻击不是远程攻击 :em032

接触攻击:接触攻击与一般攻击不同,只须接触到对方就会造成伤害。此类法术就像是武器一样,会使敌人心生防备,因此,使用接触类法术进行接触攻击视同武器攻击,即使以接触攻击持用武器的敌人,也不会引发借机攻击。然而,施展法术的动作仍然会引发借机攻击,所以较好的策略是先施法,再移动到敌人旁边碰他。接触攻击有两种:近战接触攻击(如:用你的手接触)与远程接触攻击(如:以魔法射线接触)。无论是哪一类,都可能造成重击。受到接触攻击时,受术者的AC不包括盔甲加值、盾牌加值或天生防御加值。但体型调整值、敏捷调整值和偏斜加值,仍列入计算。

主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: Fingertips2014-04-17, 周四 23:55:54
不会多次被ao
不吃
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: rockroxas2014-04-21, 周一 09:24:55
2L的说法是3R的施法部分,但我查了一下万律……
万律施法接触条目专门提到了不会引发AO,但接触攻击的条目似乎没提到,只是从标红的一句看似乎远程接触一样会引发AO……
Touch Attacks(page 16)
Touch attacks come in two types—melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. When an attack is a touch attack, your target’s AC doesn’t include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus, including enhancement bonuses to these factors. All other modifi ers apply normally. To hit your target, you make a touch attack roll—ranged or melee—and all other rules that affect attack rolls still apply.

Cast touch spell (1 standard action casting time) and touch one target (page 126)
Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke attacks of opportunity. Touch attacks to deliver touch spells follow all normal rules for touch attacks—see Touch Attacks, page 16.

而在PF里则是明确提到了,近战接触视为武装不引发AO,远程接触引发AO(因为远程武装也是照常引发)
Touch Spells in Combat: Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.

Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The act of casting a spell, however, does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage. Your opponent's AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.

Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

Ranged Touch Spells in Combat: Some spells allow you to make a ranged touch attack as part of the casting of the spell. These attacks are made as part of the spell and do not require a separate action. Ranged touch attacks provoke an attack of opportunity, even if the spell that causes the attacks was cast defensively. Unless otherwise noted, ranged touch attacks cannot be held until a later turn.

http://www.goddessfantasy.net/bbs/index.php?topic=53136.0
话说上个帖子你不是还持一个动作可被多次AO态度的吗(
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: 悲催的牧师2014-04-21, 周一 10:38:53
今天讨论的时候,某人表示,使用灼热射线的角色,会因为“施法”和“做出射击攻击”而各自产生一个被AO的机会,但我觉得这既然是一个动作里面发生的事,应该无法被多次AO。

另外,SU能力里面有远程攻击的(比如虚弱射线),是否还是会因为远程攻击行为而被AO?
不会吃两次AO的,你为啥老是被连基本规则都没读好的人忽悠
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: 星踪幻影2014-04-21, 周一 16:07:49
2L的说法是3R的施法部分,但我查了一下万律……
万律施法接触条目专门提到了不会引发AO,但接触攻击的条目似乎没提到,只是从标红的一句看似乎远程接触一样会引发AO……
Touch Attacks(page 16)
Touch attacks come in two types—melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. When an attack is a touch attack, your target’s AC doesn’t include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus, including enhancement bonuses to these factors. All other modifi ers apply normally. To hit your target, you make a touch attack roll—ranged or melee—and all other rules that affect attack rolls still apply.

Cast touch spell (1 standard action casting time) and touch one target (page 126)
Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke attacks of opportunity. Touch attacks to deliver touch spells follow all normal rules for touch attacks—see Touch Attacks, page 16.

而在PF里则是明确提到了要挨AO
Touch Spells in Combat: Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) as a free action. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.

Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The act of casting a spell, however, does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage. Your opponent's AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.

Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

Ranged Touch Spells in Combat: Some spells allow you to make a ranged touch attack as part of the casting of the spell. These attacks are made as part of the spell and do not require a separate action. Ranged touch attacks provoke an attack of opportunity, even if the spell that causes the attacks was cast defensively. Unless otherwise noted, ranged touch attacks cannot be held until a later turn.

http://www.goddessfantasy.net/bbs/index.php?topic=53136.0
话说上个帖子你不是还持一个动作可被多次AO态度的吗(

于素上次乃少判偶多次被AO的233
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: 艾思哲2014-04-24, 周四 21:53:32
一个动作不会引发同一个目标多次AO的好吧。

就好像你在对方的威胁范围里面移动多格也只是吃一个AO一样。
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: Stuart2014-04-25, 周五 07:53:42
一个动作不会引发同一个目标多次AO的好吧。

就好像你在对方的威胁范围里面移动多格也只是吃一个AO一样。

引发的条件不是动作,是机会,如果有2个引发机会自然就2次AO,这里没有纠结是一个动作还是几个动作的必要
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: joasy2014-04-29, 周二 07:01:19
3R话,感觉是会的。可以这样想:某些专长是可以ao近战攻击的,那么对于有此专长的生物,近战接触攻击是否会被ao?理应是会吧?如此,能够ao远程攻击的生物,也应该能够ao远程接触攻击
主题: Re: 3R/PF 这样的搭配会被AO多次吗?
作者: Falengel2014-05-11, 周日 16:10:19
Ranged Touch Attack Spells and AOOs: When you cast a spell that allows you to make a ranged touch attack (such as scorching ray), and an enemy is within reach, do you provoke two attacks of opportunity?

Yes, you provoke two attacks of opportunity: one for casting the spell and one for making a ranged attack, since these are two separate events.
(Note that at spell that fires multiple simultaneous rays, such as scorching ray, only provokes one AOO for making the ranged attack instead of one AOO for each ranged attack. It still provokes for casting the spell.
This answer originally appeared in the 9/11/12 Paizo blog.

以上引自PF官方FAQ