純美蘋果園
TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: moonguard 于 2006-09-25, 周一 01:55:13
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首先,关于ray的攻击:
Ray: Some effects are rays. You aim a ray as if using a ranged weapon, though typically you make a ranged touch attack rather than a normal ranged attack. As with a ranged weapon, you can fire into the dark or at an invisible creature and hope you hit something. You don’t have to see the creature you’re trying to hit, as you do with a targeted spell. Intervening creatures and obstacles, however, can block your line of sight or provide cover for the creature you’re aiming at.
If a ray spell has a duration, it’s the duration of the effect that the ray causes, not the length of time the ray itself persists.
If a ray spell deals damage, you can score a critical hit just as if it were a weapon. A ray spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit.
然后,关于touch attack攻击:
Touch Spells in Combat: Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject, either in the same round or any time later. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) the target. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.
Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack. Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.
这是说作为spell一部分的ranged touch attack可以不被AO么?
bow~
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ranged touch attack会吃AO。问题不在touch上,在ranged上。
就好比用匕首做近身攻击不会被AO,但投掷匕首做远程攻击就吃AO了。
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那么近身用远程RAY的杖子呢?
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这和你的施法方式无关,施法本身必吃ao,用棒子不会
这是指作为法术的一部分,接触攻击这个攻击方式会不会吃ao,所以楼上是在无的放失
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这个规则我明白,我只是觉得抠字眼有点问题而已。。。
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其实说到这里我又有个问题
前次提到dru的火焰剑可以打集群,因为这是被当成一种带能量伤害的武器使用
那么射线显然可以适用这个规则:也有攻击骰,还出CH呢
那么是不是可以用炽热射线杀集群?
电爪又如何呢?
另一问,负能量伤害也算能量吧,牧师捏住一个造成x伤,是不是也可以用来摸死集群?
附:两条援引的规则
群的特点
A weapon with a special ability such as flaming or frost deals its full energy damage with each hit, even if the weapon’s normal damage can’t affect the swarm.
Weaponlike Spells
Any spell that requires an attack roll and deals damage functions as a weapon in certain respects
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集群免疫针对具体数目生物的法术或效果(包括单目标法术比如解离术(disintegrate))
因此灼热射线、电爪、IxW之类法术应该都不生效。
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恩,如果我说电爪什么等同能量武器可以说的通不
Weaponlike Spells
Any spell that requires an attack roll and deals damage functions as a weapon in certain respects
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Weaponlike Spells
Any spell that requires an attack roll and deals damage functions as a weapon in certain respects
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so,问你DM去
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近身用Ray法杖照样会吃AO。不因为别的,就因为是在做远程攻击。就好比近身的时候投掷匕首要吃AO一样。
需要命中的法术分三种,touch,ray,weaponlike。其中weaponlike应该有明确的as a 具体的武器/thrown weapon/projectile之类的词。
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近身用Ray法杖照样会吃AO。不因为别的,就因为是在做远程攻击。就好比近身的时候投掷匕首要吃AO一样。
需要命中的法术分三种,touch,ray,weaponlike。其中weaponlike应该有明确的as a 具体的武器/thrown weapon/projectile之类的词。
weaponlike不是这个意思。
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使用 ray 法術並不是一個攻擊行動, 更不是遠程攻擊, 而是一個施法行動, AoO 照施法算.
用棒也一樣, 行動本身是使用小棒棒, 放出射線攻擊是"使用"這個行動的一部份.
至於電爪, 傷害術等因為法術範圍明確寫明是單體目標, 所以對集群無效. 電爪需要抓到目標才會觸發, 可是火焰劍不需要摸到目標 - 那根本是一根火把, 可以揮來揮去做成面傷害, 所以可以傷害集群.
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近身用Ray法杖照样会吃AO。不因为别的,就因为是在做远程攻击。就好比近身的时候投掷匕首要吃AO一样。
需要命中的法术分三种,touch,ray,weaponlike。其中weaponlike应该有明确的as a 具体的武器/thrown weapon/projectile之类的词。
weaponlike不是这个意思。
那是什么意思捏?
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Ray: Some effects are rays. You aim a ray as if using a ranged weapon, though typically you make a ranged touch attack rather than a normal ranged attack. As with a ranged weapon, you can fire into the dark or at an invisible creature and hope you hit something. You don’t have to see the creature you’re trying to hit, as you do with a targeted spell. Intervening creatures and obstacles, however, can block your line of sight or provide cover for the creature you’re aiming at.
这不是远程攻击是什么。
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近身用Ray法杖照样会吃AO。不因为别的,就因为是在做远程攻击。就好比近身的时候投掷匕首要吃AO一样。
需要命中的法术分三种,touch,ray,weaponlike。其中weaponlike应该有明确的as a 具体的武器/thrown weapon/projectile之类的词。
weaponlike不是这个意思。
那是什么意思捏?
你前面引的就是定义。
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According to SRD, a swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures (including single-target spells such as disintegrate). Touch spells and Rays clearly fall into this category.
As for Flame Blade (and Spiritual Weapon as well), it does not target any specific number of creatures, thus can be used against swarm.
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Ray: Some effects are rays. You aim a ray as if using a ranged weapon, though typically you make a ranged touch attack rather than a normal ranged attack. As with a ranged weapon, you can fire into the dark or at an invisible creature and hope you hit something. You don’t have to see the creature you’re trying to hit, as you do with a targeted spell. Intervening creatures and obstacles, however, can block your line of sight or provide cover for the creature you’re aiming at.
这不是远程攻击是什么。
這不是遠程攻擊, 是法術的遠程攻擊部份的命中算法. 這並不會改變角色行動和法術效果的本質或類形, 法術就是法術.
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這不是遠程攻擊, 是法術的遠程攻擊部份的命中算法. 這?K不會改變角色行動和法術效果的本質或?形, 法術就是法術.
它当然是法术。
可正如你也承认的那样,它同时是一个远程攻击。它当然受到一切有关远程攻击的规则的影响。
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因為說明沒有提及等同遠程攻擊, 所以一般來說只要說明沒有提及的遠程攻擊規則都不適用.
甚麼適用呢? 適用於遠攻武器的規則適合 - 即是說, PBS 一系列的專長部份適用, 如 Precise Shot, Imp. Precise Shot 等. Weapon Focus, GWF 等也適用.
Line of Fire, cover 等也適用, 因為有被提及.
可是, 其他的遠射規則並不適用, 包括 AoO.
你可能可以把兩個行動集合到一個行動機會去進行, 例如移動期間備武. 在這些情況下, 你的確是在進行兩個同一時間發生的行動.
與此不同, 放出射線是施法, 使用能力, 或使用物品的行動的一部份, AoO 可能由這些行動引致, 可是放出射線這一部份不是一個會引致 AoO 的攻擊動作.
另一方面來看, 如果放射線會引致 AoO, 那麼加上施法的一個, 不就會一個行動連續產生兩次 AoO 嗎?
照上面提及的原則推論,
Shot on run 理論上不適用, 因為只限攻擊行動使用.
Rapid shot 理論上適用, 因為只要使用遠射武器就可以. (但當然它不會給予你額外的射線, 頂多只會有額外的發射機會, 此專長能否超越限制射速的法術得由 DM 辨斷)
隱身, 目眩等命中骰修正也適用, 因為你的確需要投命中骰.
當然, 一切並不是這麼黑白分明的, DM 有最終決定權.
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使用射线法术攻击是一个单一的动作,是只引发一次AO。但是这并不妨碍它既是一个施法(或者类法术/使用魔法物品等)动作,也是一个远程攻击动作。
在这里判断什么规则适用的原则应该是“只要没有特别指明不同的,其他规则都参照处理”,而不是“除了指明的以外,其他规则都不适用”吧。既然没有明文特别指明用射线法术攻击可以不按远程攻击判定AO,那就要参照判定吧。
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如果手够大,可以一把抓住集群,应该可以打集群吧。。。