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TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: solarius 于 2006-06-21, 周三 10:50:42
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非常简单的问题：
比如我把一个全10属性的1级战士用polymorph变成了troll，那么这个战士的属性：
前三项属性如何算？照抄MM上troll 的数据？
hp是按基础hd+战士职业还是直接照抄MM上troll 的数据？
AC是用战士AC+troll人物额外天生AC还是照抄MM上troll 的数据？
原本战士手持武器，变化后是否依然持有？如果是，troll是大体形的，武器也随之变大么？
变化后能否获得troll的再生和黑视？
其实简单来说，polymorph一种有level ajustment的生物是不是就是给目标套上这个模板？
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只获得前三项属性和天生装甲，不获得任何特殊能力
现在的修正版似乎是HP不变的
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武器装甲等等全部会溶入新的形态并且失去作用。
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武器装甲等等全部会溶入新的形态并且失去作用。
看你变什么，giant,outsider,huamnoid等就可以保留武器装甲
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What happens to the equipment worn and carried by a
character polymorphed* into another creature capable of
wearing and carrying the same gear? What if the new
creature’s size is different?
Unless stated otherwise, all spells in the polymorph chain
function as described in the alter self spell description, which
states that if the new form is capable of wearing or holding the
item, it remains worn or held; otherwise it melds into the new
form and becomes nonfunctional. A human polymorphed into
another Medium humanoid-shaped form (such as an elf,
grimlock, or bearded devil) can wear or hold all his gear, so it
remains in place.
However, this is one of those times when size definitely
matters, since your gear doesn’t automatically change size as a
result of polymorph. Assuming the new form has appropriate
body locations—for instance, a human polymorphed into a troll
or a pixie—most of your magic items (rings, cloaks, boots, and
other items of magic clothing or jewelry) still fit just fine
regardless of your new size (see “Size and Magic Items” on
page 213 of the DUNGEON MASTER’s Guide).
嗯，官方FAQ上说明了的
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前三项照抄MM上的,HP自然是基础HD提供的HP+CON提供的额外HP(变身后的),AC是10+你所有的调整(巨魔的天防也算进去),武器/防具不随体型变化,也就是说会爆衣.........,除非你衣服上有Sizing能力(这能力还不是核心的...)
另外变形成有LA的生物和没LA的生物没区别,ECL还是人物HD+职业等级+LA(你原本种族的),但是需要注意的是变形不能变套了模版生物.
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说起来，现在小德的变形和变形术区别有哪些？
虽然rules of game里讲了很多，但是因为太多了，反倒有点搞不清楚了……
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Dru的变形现在是Alternate Form的变体, HP不随CON变,变身时所有装备不管适不适应新形态都融进去.
所以Wildshape是渣.XD.
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前三项照抄MM上的,HP自然是基础HD提供的HP+CON提供的额外HP(变身后的),AC是10+你所有的调整(巨魔的天防也算进去),武器/防具不随体型变化,也就是说会爆衣.........,除非你衣服上有Sizing能力(这能力还不是核心的...)
另外变形成有LA的生物和没LA的生物没区别,ECL还是人物HD+职业等级+LA(你原本种族的),但是需要注意的是变形不能变套了模版生物.
HP是不随体质变化的，这条5月份已经确定并加到官方FAQ里，另外只要魔法武器和防具都能自动适应新形体，只要是类人，外界者，巨人，精类（FAQ里还有虫类估计是笔误）之一。。。
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..............另外只要魔法武器和防具都能自动适应新形体.................
变大后便不能适应了.这条是引用的Alter Self,所以应该遵循Alter Self的规则.
而且FAQ上说了,Polymorph如果体形变Armor和Weapon不能变大小的话(核心里面是一定变不了的), 那么Armor和Weapon自动融入新形态.
如此.
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那个……刚刚去看了一下faq里的spell部分关于polymorph的部分……里面似乎没有提到hp不变……当然也可能是我漏看了……具体在哪一条里？
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这根据是最新的Rule of the Game。
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..............另外只要魔法武器和防具都能自动适应新形体.................
变大后便不能适应了.这条是引用的Alter Self,所以应该遵循Alter Self的规则.
而且FAQ上说了,Polymorph如果体形变Armor和Weapon不能变大小的话(核心里面是一定变不了的), 那么Armor和Weapon自动融入新形态.
如此.
Equipment
When a creature changes form, any equipment it has either remains worn or held by the new form (if that form is capable of wearing or holding the item), or melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. The DM must decide if the new form can handle the equipment. This is best decided on a case by case basis; however, Rules of the Game has previously suggested that one can divide creatures into types that have basically humanoid shapes and those that do not, as follows:
Humanoid Shapes Nonhumanoid Shapes
Fey Aberration
Giant Animal
Humanoid Dragon
Monstrous Humanoid Elemental
Outsider Ooze
Vermin
In this case, "humanoid" refers to a creature that walks upright on two legs, and has two arms, a head, and a torso. A humanoid might have a few extra limbs, such as an extra pair of arms, a pair of wings or a tail (or perhaps wings and a tail). The suggestions presented here are intended as general guidelines only. For example, most outsiders have generally humanoid bodies, but not all of them do. Likewise, some animals have bodies that fit the humanoid plan.
As a rule of thumb, a change from a form that has a humanoid shape to another form that also has a humanoid shape leaves all equipment in place and functioning. The creature's equipment changes to match the assumed form. It becomes the appropriate size for the assumed form and it fits the assumed form at least as well as it fit the original form. The being can change minor details in its equipment, such as color, surface texture, and decoration.
When a subject changes from a form with a humanoid shape to a form with a nonhumanoid shape (or vice versa) any equipment that can't be worn by the new form falls off at the subject's feet. (The druid's wildshape ability provides an exception: all equipment is subsumed into the new form and becomes nonfunctional while the druid remains in the assumed form.) Items the subject could conceivably wear in an assumed form remain functional. For example, most items worn on the body, such as armor, cloaks, boots, and most other items of clothing made for a humanoid body won't fit on a nonhumanoid body. Some items can fit on just about any kind of body. For example, a ring fits nearly any form that has digits of some kind (the limit of two rings applies no matter how many hands or similar appendages a creature has). Likewise, a necklace fits on just about any form that has a neck.
原文如此。。。虫类那个估计是其拉虫人。。。
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remains worn or held by the new form (if that form is capable of wearing or holding the item)……
我们说的是体型，你说的是种类……其实这两者没有矛盾。
我们在说“装备不能变大一个等级的”而你在强调“类人怪物精类等等是可以穿装备的”……实际上我也知道可以……因为这些生物其实包括在变形术本来解释的范畴里，也就是说that form is capable of wearing or holding the item的这种生物……
5月份的FAQ很清楚地阐述了护甲和武器的内容，实际上就是你上面贴出的那段FAQ的后面。
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这根据是最新的Rule of the Game。
哥哥...最新的Rule of the Game全部说的是Alternate Form而不是Polymorph................
另外关于Weapon和Armor的问题花盆君已经解释得很清楚了................
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恩,关于HP是否随CON变化的问题...
因为Polymorph和Alter Self是同一系列的法术,因此Polymorph应该是继承了Alter Self的特性,而Alter Self里面说了HP不变,因此Polymorph以后HP应该也不会随CON变.
这个逻辑被废柴巫师会用来解释Wildshape后HP不随CON变的原理(因为Wildshape是基于Alternate Form,而Alternate Form HP不随CON变),因此可以认为也能用来解释Polymorph后HP的问题.
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刚刚把polymorphing part1-4和polymorphing revisited1-4都看了（写这么多这些家伙不觉得累么- -）发觉之间其实没什么变化，不知道为什么要写两遍- -
polymorphing和alternate form本身的规则都没有什么大变化，变的就是德鲁伊的wild shape现在的效果是alternate form 而不是polymorphing了- -绕来绕去绕得我头晕脑胀的……
polymorphing之之后hp是跟随新的体制算的：
The subject retains its own mind, but its body is transformed into a semblance of the assumed form. Unlike previous versions of the D&D game, the subject's hit points change according to his new Constitution score. The subject's Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores revert to normal when resuming its normal form, which may prompt another change in hit points.
这正好是polymorphing和alternate form 之间的几个不同之一。
不过这几个能力回溯来回溯去的真是麻烦- -
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貌似前面那篇文章已经过时了。
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但是后面那篇文章的开头就说polymorphing本身没有变化，并且给出了前面那篇文章作为解释……
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The subject retains its own mind, but its body is transformed into a semblance of the assumed form. Unlike previous versions of the D&D game, the subject's hit points change according to his new Constitution score. The subject's Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores revert to normal when resuming its normal form, which may prompt another change in hit points.
这一段...是哪里的来着......?(难道看漏了.....)
另外不是过时,Polymorph Revisited讲的是Alternate Form...跟Polymorph一点关系都没有..........
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polymorphing的part3里的，跟在一堆详细描述变成什么种类你会得到什么能力的的东西后面。
polymorphing的part4最后还列举了和alternate form不同的地方。
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我果然看漏了.............
不过Polymorph果然还是很好的法术呀.......................
(PHB2那本非核心的无视好了........)
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真麻烦……
还不如就直接说xxx效果改变目标的con，xxx效果不改变目标的con。
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不...不改变CON的话FORT也不变了...............
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我想问的是10级法师变5hd的枭头熊应该怎么计算?
按10d10还是5d10计算?