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主题: 3R关于邪术师
作者: 涅薇儿·德拉诺尔2011-12-02, 周五 15:53:22
在汉译版的邪术师的邪术描述中,我没有看到类似其他法术职业的“要释放X环邪术需要10+X点魅力”这样的要求,是否意味着,如果不考虑豁免,那么在其他情况都满足的时候,即使魅力是6,也是能丢出黑暗邪术的??
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: gorou2011-12-02, 周五 16:03:52
在汉译版的邪术师的邪术描述中,我没有看到类似其他法术职业的“要释放X环邪术需要10+X点魅力”这样的要求,是否意味着,如果不考虑豁免,那么在其他情况都满足的时候,即使魅力是6,也是能丢出黑暗邪术的??
球原文
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: 涅薇儿·德拉诺尔2011-12-02, 周五 17:45:50
/me 同求
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: うどん艾2011-12-02, 周五 19:13:57
 :em012
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: Falengel2011-12-02, 周五 19:29:27
Invocations: A warlock does not prepare or cast spells as other wielders of arcane magic do. Instead, he possesses a repertoire of attacks, defenses, and abilities known as invocations that require him to focus the wild energy that suffuses his soul. A warlock can use any invocation he knows at will, with the following qualifications:

A warlock’s invocations are spell-like abilities; using an invocation is therefore a standard action that provokes attacks of opportunity. An invocation can be disrupted, just as a spell can be ruined during casting. A warlock is entitled to a Concentration check to successfully use an invocation if he is hit by an attack while invoking, just as a spellcaster would be. A warlock can choose to use an invocation defensively, by making a successful Concentration check, to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity. A warlock’s invocations are subject to spell resistance unless an invocation’s description specifi cally
states otherwise. A warlock’s caster level with his invocations is equal to his warlock level.

The save DC for an invocation (if it allows a save) is 10 + equivalent spell level + the warlock’s Charisma modifier. Since spell-like abilities are not actually spells, a warlock cannot benefi t from the Spell Focus feat. He can, however, benefi t from the Ability Focus feat (see page 303 of the Monster Manual), as well as from feats that emulate metamagic effects for spell-like abilities, such as Quicken Spell-Like Ability and Empower Spell-Like Ability (see pages 303 and 304 of the Monster Manual).

The four grades of invocations, in order of their relative power, are least, lesser, greater, and dark. A warlock begins with knowledge of one invocation, which must be of the lowest grade (least). As a warlock gains levels, he learns new invocations, as summarized on Table 1–1 and described below. A list of available invocations can be found following this class description, and a complete description of each
invocation can be found in Chapter 4 of this book.

At any level when a warlock learns a new invocation, he can also replace an invocation he already knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade. At 6th level, a warlock can replace a least invocation he knows with a different least invocation (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be either least or lesser). At 11th level, a warlock can replace a least or lesser invocation
he knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be least, lesser, or greater). At 16th level, a warlock can replace a least, lesser, or greater invocation he knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be least, lesser, greater, or dark).

Finally, unlike other spell-like abilities, invocations are subject to arcane spell failure chance as described under Weapon and Armor Profi ciency above. Warlocks can qualify for some prestige classes usually intended for spellcasters; see Warlocks and Prestige Classes, page 18, for details.
的确是一句都没有提到。

考虑到魔焰附加的邪术效果,CHA似乎只有对DC的影响……而且我还不知道有没有类似法术学派专攻这样的专长,能让DC稍微提高点。
如果放弃堆DC(其实也很难堆得过SAVE吧……)就只能靠魔焰打ND6了,这比贼还难过……
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: うどん艾2011-12-02, 周五 19:32:58
Invocations: A warlock does not prepare or cast spells as other wielders of arcane magic do. Instead, he possesses a repertoire of attacks, defenses, and abilities known as invocations that require him to focus the wild energy that suffuses his soul. A warlock can use any invocation he knows at will, with the following qualifications:

A warlock’s invocations are spell-like abilities; using an invocation is therefore a standard action that provokes attacks of opportunity. An invocation can be disrupted, just as a spell can be ruined during casting. A warlock is entitled to a Concentration check to successfully use an invocation if he is hit by an attack while invoking, just as a spellcaster would be. A warlock can choose to use an invocation defensively, by making a successful Concentration check, to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity. A warlock’s invocations are subject to spell resistance unless an invocation’s description specifi cally
states otherwise. A warlock’s caster level with his invocations is equal to his warlock level.

The save DC for an invocation (if it allows a save) is 10 + equivalent spell level + the warlock’s Charisma modifier. Since spell-like abilities are not actually spells, a warlock cannot benefi t from the Spell Focus feat. He can, however, benefi t from the Ability Focus feat (see page 303 of the Monster Manual), as well as from feats that emulate metamagic effects for spell-like abilities, such as Quicken Spell-Like Ability and Empower Spell-Like Ability (see pages 303 and 304 of the Monster Manual).

The four grades of invocations, in order of their relative power, are least, lesser, greater, and dark. A warlock begins with knowledge of one invocation, which must be of the lowest grade (least). As a warlock gains levels, he learns new invocations, as summarized on Table 1–1 and described below. A list of available invocations can be found following this class description, and a complete description of each
invocation can be found in Chapter 4 of this book.

At any level when a warlock learns a new invocation, he can also replace an invocation he already knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade. At 6th level, a warlock can replace a least invocation he knows with a different least invocation (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be either least or lesser). At 11th level, a warlock can replace a least or lesser invocation
he knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be least, lesser, or greater). At 16th level, a warlock can replace a least, lesser, or greater invocation he knows with another invocation of the same or a lower grade (in addition to learning a new invocation, which could be least, lesser, greater, or dark).

Finally, unlike other spell-like abilities, invocations are subject to arcane spell failure chance as described under Weapon and Armor Profi ciency above. Warlocks can qualify for some prestige classes usually intended for spellcasters; see Warlocks and Prestige Classes, page 18, for details.
的确是一句都没有提到。

考虑到魔焰附加的邪术效果,CHA似乎只有对DC的影响……而且我还不知道有没有类似法术学派专攻这样的专长,能让DC稍微提高点。
如果放弃堆DC(其实也很难堆得过SAVE吧……)就只能靠魔焰打ND6了,这比贼还难过……


其实只是准备卖萌比如11级拿无限触手?!

/me 偷偷说出真相然后躲去隙间里了
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: 涅薇儿·德拉诺尔2011-12-02, 周五 21:08:42
 :em032 谁让你说出来的!
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: stevenfisher2011-12-12, 周一 22:17:53
考虑到魔焰附加的邪术效果,CHA似乎只有对DC的影响……而且我还不知道有没有类似法术学派专攻这样的专长,能让DC稍微提高点。

所有能增加spell-like ability DC的feat都可以堆魔焰的DC,比如monster feat里面的ability focus就可以让魔焰的所有DC+2,这玩意堆DC简直是非常容易。
greater invocation里有一个Noxious Blast,fort不过反胃1min,不能做标准动作
主cha的战锁13级就能把Noxious Blast DC轻松堆到26(法术等级6,cha+8,ability focus +2,如果你愿意的话还能找到其他feat继续堆),每次用eldritch chain连3个目标。还可以兼职paladin of freedom之类的来骗豁免,全豁免上20都很容易...
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: brainfish2011-12-12, 周一 22:34:14
邪术师的浪漫在于 出来吧,土爪
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: 逆神猪2011-12-12, 周一 22:51:21
不是低等级下的无限隐形么……
主题: Re: 3R关于邪术师
作者: 艾思哲2011-12-13, 周二 17:13:34
战锁的浪漫就是,随便什么玩意,只要手头有就能不停滥用……