【3R】关于转变种族遇到的争议

[黑行星]

和DM意见不合。我的BUILD思路是通过变形法术改变生物种族，然后自杀由德鲁伊神术【最终呼吸】彻底转生成某种族，不掉经验，从而获得HD、种族特性、类法术与超自然能力。
最终呼吸

劇透 -   :

最终呼级（Last Breath） （万法大全）
变化系
等级:德鲁伊 4
法术成分：V 丶 S
施法时间：标准动作
距离：接触
目标：一个死亡的生物
持续时间：立时
豁免检定：无
法术抗力：可（无害）
你赶到目标附近并快速念咒，此法术将你的朋友带回人间。
此法术创造一个新的身体，并将灵魂带到这身驱。可是，此法术只能在受术者死亡後一
轮内有效。此法术如同转生术（Reincarnate），除了受到转生术不用受到等级丶体质丶与法
术。受此法术影响的生物为－１HP，但已稳定。（hit points）
施法材料：一瓶价值 500GP 以上的稀有油

当然一般的变形术没办法达成这个效果，变形术的描述效果是：如果被杀，目标生物回复到原来的形态，
当然它还是死的。
所以在变形术效果作用下自杀完毕，种族就恢复原状了，再转生也是转生成类人生物。

我的思路是：用龙之精粹法术或白金龙的化身获得龙类种族，满足先决条件，再永久变形万物成了一头少年黑龙（智力10、中型体型），种族+5、体型+2、智力+2，时间为永久。然后自杀，再利用【最终呼吸】转生，因为本身成为了龙类，所以可以转生成任意龙类，从而成为真正的龙。获得类法术与超自然能力。

然而DM认为变形万物指向变形术，那么生物死亡后，遗体就自动变回原形态，之前肉体上的法术效果自动结束，所以死亡之后种族已不再是巨龙，转生也只能按类人生物转生表投骰子。认同了DM的意见后，我修改了思路，在肉体死亡后用变形万物再次将尸体变形成巨龙（时间不是永久），然后再施展转生术，这样尸体依然是巨龙种族，自然可以转生成巨龙。然后又一次发生了争议，DM认为种族是灵魂属性，在死亡的时候法术效果就结束了，灵魂变回类人生物灵魂，即使肉体再次变形为巨龙，灵魂依旧是类人生物的，所以判定不能成功。

但是我引用死者复活的描述：一个复活的生物拥有等于其现有 HD 的生命值。所有因伤害降到 0 的属性恢复到 1。普通的毒素和疾病在复活的过程中会被治愈，但是魔法疾病和诅咒不会消失。

这证明，即使生物死亡，其灵魂上所带的法术效果依旧不会消失，会带入新复生的肉体。所以即使尸体上的变形效果结束了，但其灵魂依旧是巨龙的灵魂，所以可以转生成巨龙。DM言这不科学，然找不到反驳的规则支持，于是禁了巨龙书，并放话肯定能找到规则支持。

大家帮忙看一下，这种思路真的有BUG吗？

[Tekkaman Last]

这个思路从规则上确实是可以撕一下，但是本质上这是一个刷卡行为。任何刷卡行为哪怕它再符合规则，被任何DM禁掉都完全不奇怪

[黑行星]

这个思路从规则上确实是可以撕一下，但是本质上这是一个刷卡行为。任何刷卡行为哪怕它再符合规则，被任何DM禁掉都完全不奇怪

被禁掉就禁掉了，之前用5环法术盗法，盗了月犬和异界神侍身上的持久生效的类法术：秘法视力，侦测邪恶，侦测陷阱，测知谎言，识破隐形和真知术后，DM已经神经衰弱了……我还是老实些吧

[Tekkaman Last]

这个思路从规则上确实是可以撕一下，但是本质上这是一个刷卡行为。任何刷卡行为哪怕它再符合规则，被任何DM禁掉都完全不奇怪

被禁掉就禁掉了，之前用5环法术盗法，盗了月犬和异界神侍身上的持久生效的类法术：秘法视力，侦测邪恶，侦测陷阱，测知谎言，识破隐形和真知术后，DM已经神经衰弱了……我还是老实些吧

其实DM完全可以判它们是正常持续时间，只是可以随时自由动作刷新而已

[Alanryan]

我觉得跑团的目的不应该是努力试图证明自己玩的规则是傻逼

[kataaaka]

狗屁不通

Polymorphing (Part Three)
Outsider Type
You don't get the following:
-- Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature -- its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on an outsider. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection to restore it to life. An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. (If you had a soul before changing, you still have one after changing.)

Construct Type
You don't get the following:
-- Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected. (If you were once alive you can be raised or resurrected even if you're killed while in construct form.)
——Rules of the Game, part 3 and 4

[黑行星]

狗屁不通

Polymorphing (Part Three)
Outsider Type
You don't get the following:
-- Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature -- its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on an outsider. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection to restore it to life. An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. (If you had a soul before changing, you still have one after changing.)

Construct Type
You don't get the following:
-- Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected. (If you were once alive you can be raised or resurrected even if you're killed while in construct form.)
——Rules of the Game, part 3 and 4

我去，火气不要这么旺……这段英文原文只是解释了异界生物和构装生物的复活问题，简单概括，这两类没有灵魂，不能被常归复活，但有灵魂的人变形为这两种生物后灵魂不会消失，可被正常复活。我的BUILD思路是变形成巨龙，并不是变形成没灵魂的异界生物和构装生物呀。

[kataaaka]

狗屁不通

Polymorphing (Part Three)
Outsider Type
You don't get the following:
-- Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature -- its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on an outsider. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection to restore it to life. An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. (If you had a soul before changing, you still have one after changing.)

Construct Type
You don't get the following:
-- Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected. (If you were once alive you can be raised or resurrected even if you're killed while in construct form.)
——Rules of the Game, part 3 and 4

我去，火气不要这么旺……这段英文原文只是解释了异界生物和构装生物的复活问题，简单概括，这两类没有灵魂，不能被常归复活，但有灵魂的人变形为这两种生物后灵魂不会消失，可被正常复活。我的BUILD思路是变形成巨龙，并不是变形成没灵魂的异界生物和构装生物呀。

你的灵魂既不在变形术所列明的会发生改变的特性清单里，也不在变形术改变生物种类带来的特性改变清单里，所以变形术和你的灵魂有什么关系？
死者复活是一个依赖于大致完好尸体的法术。

[黑行星]

谢谢大家，其实DM和我现实中是好基友==，我只是喜欢给他出难题，然后一起基情四射地讨论规则，欢快玩耍。我在跑团过程，一直在研究规则，有过很多脑洞，看GM抓狂的反映也是我的乐趣之一，当然很多都被GM以刚正朴实的规则干掉了，还有一些GM没找到规则支持于是现实中威胁被搞掉了……不是故意涉灰、滥强，只是搞怪而已，正常战斗力还是控制得没有超出太多

[黑行星]

狗屁不通

Polymorphing (Part Three)
Outsider Type
You don't get the following:
-- Unlike most other living creatures, an outsider does not have a dual nature -- its soul and body form one unit. When an outsider is slain, no soul is set loose. Spells that restore souls to their bodies, such as raise dead, reincarnate, and resurrection, don't work on an outsider. It takes a different magical effect, such as limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection to restore it to life. An outsider with the native subtype can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. (If you had a soul before changing, you still have one after changing.)

Construct Type
You don't get the following:
-- Since it was never alive, a construct cannot be raised or resurrected. (If you were once alive you can be raised or resurrected even if you're killed while in construct form.)
——Rules of the Game, part 3 and 4

我去，火气不要这么旺……这段英文原文只是解释了异界生物和构装生物的复活问题，简单概括，这两类没有灵魂，不能被常归复活，但有灵魂的人变形为这两种生物后灵魂不会消失，可被正常复活。我的BUILD思路是变形成巨龙，并不是变形成没灵魂的异界生物和构装生物呀。

你的灵魂既不在变形术所列明的会发生改变的特性清单里，也不在变形术改变生物种类带来的特性改变清单里，所以变形术和你的灵魂有什么关系？
死者复活是一个依赖于大致完好尸体的法术。

谢谢，这很有说服力