菜鸟提问，关于猛扑，俯冲，猛扑冲锋，领军冲锋的问题

[常乐（弱智阵营）]

关于问题2我们目前讨论出来的结论是狮鹫得用攻击动作动作擒抱才能打出耙抓伤害

Pounce (Ex)
If a griffon dives upon or charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks.

显然你们的讨论结果并不符合MM的描述……

仅按RAW的话，有的人可能会得出俯冲的伤害加倍对俯冲猛扑的每一次攻击都有效的结论，不过因为这样的话伤害倍率也太脑残了，搭配变形或者怪物扮演可能导致PC打出惊人的爆炸伤害，房规限定俯冲的伤害加倍只适用于第一次攻击算是常见的房规思路吧
领导冲锋（Leading the Charge）同理，不过描述来说是“……all allies... and make a charge attack in the area gain a bonus... on damage rolls”，事实上这个描述明确地没有被限定为那次冲锋攻击（也就是说，哪怕在他冲锋的时候有敌人触发他的AO，这次AO按照严格抠字眼原则也会享受伤害加值），外加伤害加武道家等级比直接加倍破坏性小多了，实际判定把握上面可能相对来说网开一面的可能性更大些吧

我们参考了万律里的猛扑和耙抓，然后对比了MM里狮鹫和其他耙抓大猫的区别。
耙抓即使在猛扑中也需要先擒抱中才能造成伤害，其他大猫凭借精通攫抓可以省掉这个动作，但是没有精通攫抓的狮鹫想来应该得是要花动作擒抱住而不是不擒抱就可以耙抓。

猛扑中提到耙抓需要先擒抱的部分： If it uses its attacks to
successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can
also make rake attacks.

同样在耙抓中也有：
A monster that has the rake ability must begin its turn
grappling to use its rake. It can’t begin a grapple and rake
during the same turn unless it has the pounce ability or some
other ability that allows it to start a grapple and rake during
the same turn.

用万律的规则的话，好像确实是。
不过Grapple是动作中的一次攻击而不是一个动作吧。
INITIATING A GRAPPLE

劇透 -   :

Starting a grapple is an attack. Each time you attempt to start a grapple, you provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you re trying to grapple. If the attack of opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails. If the attack of opportunity misses or fails to deal damage, you can make a melee touch attack to grab the target. If you fail to hit the target, the grapple attempt fails. If you can make multiple attacks due to a high base attack bonus, you can attempt to start a grapple multiple times by making a full attack. If you succeed in starting the grapple and have remaining attacks, you can use those attacks to perform other maneuvers allowed in a grapple (see Grappling Results).

所以狮鹫是冲锋-全回合-全回合中咬/擒抱-如果擒抱成功则附加耙抓
至于能不能加倍，这个还是自己商量着来吧...规则文字太模糊根本无法判别，讨论起来又是RAI和RAW的死缠烂打了。你可以看看万律里的咬文嚼字......

劇透 -   :

Pounce
When a creature that has this extraordinary special attack charges, it can still make a full attack even if it charged while restricted to a single action. All its attacks receive the +2 bonus on attack rolls gained from charging. If it uses its attacks to successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can also make rake attacks.

Flying during a Charge
A creature that flies can make dive attacks. A dive attack works just like a charge, but the diving creature must move a minimum of 30 feet and descend at least 10 feet. It can make only claw or talon attacks, but these deal double damage.

[艾思哲]

关于问题2我们目前讨论出来的结论是狮鹫得用攻击动作动作擒抱才能打出耙抓伤害

Pounce (Ex)
If a griffon dives upon or charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks.

显然你们的讨论结果并不符合MM的描述……

仅按RAW的话，有的人可能会得出俯冲的伤害加倍对俯冲猛扑的每一次攻击都有效的结论，不过因为这样的话伤害倍率也太脑残了，搭配变形或者怪物扮演可能导致PC打出惊人的爆炸伤害，房规限定俯冲的伤害加倍只适用于第一次攻击算是常见的房规思路吧
领导冲锋（Leading the Charge）同理，不过描述来说是“……all allies... and make a charge attack in the area gain a bonus... on damage rolls”，事实上这个描述明确地没有被限定为那次冲锋攻击（也就是说，哪怕在他冲锋的时候有敌人触发他的AO，这次AO按照严格抠字眼原则也会享受伤害加值），外加伤害加武道家等级比直接加倍破坏性小多了，实际判定把握上面可能相对来说网开一面的可能性更大些吧

我们参考了万律里的猛扑和耙抓，然后对比了MM里狮鹫和其他耙抓大猫的区别。
耙抓即使在猛扑中也需要先擒抱中才能造成伤害，其他大猫凭借精通攫抓可以省掉这个动作，但是没有精通攫抓的狮鹫想来应该得是要花动作擒抱住而不是不擒抱就可以耙抓。

猛扑中提到耙抓需要先擒抱的部分： If it uses its attacks to
successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can
also make rake attacks.

同样在耙抓中也有：
A monster that has the rake ability must begin its turn
grappling to use its rake. It can’t begin a grapple and rake
during the same turn unless it has the pounce ability or some
other ability that allows it to start a grapple and rake during
the same turn.

Pounce
When a creature that has this extraordinary special attack
charges, it can still make a full attack even if it charged while
restricted to a single action. All its attacks receive the +2 bonus
on attack rolls gained from charging. If it uses its attacks to
successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can
also make rake attacks.

哦，如果万律的pounce覆盖了MM的怪物个别描述，那确实会变成这种情况，但是这使得狮鹫的rake能力变得很鸡肋并且没有什么用武之地了，因为没精通攫抓的怪擒抱也是要吃AO的

 所以其实是个版本更新导致部分职业变弱的情况……

[二萝]

关于问题2我们目前讨论出来的结论是狮鹫得用攻击动作动作擒抱才能打出耙抓伤害

Pounce (Ex)
If a griffon dives upon or charges a foe, it can make a full attack, including two rake attacks.

显然你们的讨论结果并不符合MM的描述……

仅按RAW的话，有的人可能会得出俯冲的伤害加倍对俯冲猛扑的每一次攻击都有效的结论，不过因为这样的话伤害倍率也太脑残了，搭配变形或者怪物扮演可能导致PC打出惊人的爆炸伤害，房规限定俯冲的伤害加倍只适用于第一次攻击算是常见的房规思路吧
领导冲锋（Leading the Charge）同理，不过描述来说是“……all allies... and make a charge attack in the area gain a bonus... on damage rolls”，事实上这个描述明确地没有被限定为那次冲锋攻击（也就是说，哪怕在他冲锋的时候有敌人触发他的AO，这次AO按照严格抠字眼原则也会享受伤害加值），外加伤害加武道家等级比直接加倍破坏性小多了，实际判定把握上面可能相对来说网开一面的可能性更大些吧

我们参考了万律里的猛扑和耙抓，然后对比了MM里狮鹫和其他耙抓大猫的区别。
耙抓即使在猛扑中也需要先擒抱中才能造成伤害，其他大猫凭借精通攫抓可以省掉这个动作，但是没有精通攫抓的狮鹫想来应该得是要花动作擒抱住而不是不擒抱就可以耙抓。

猛扑中提到耙抓需要先擒抱的部分： If it uses its attacks to
successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can
also make rake attacks.

同样在耙抓中也有：
A monster that has the rake ability must begin its turn
grappling to use its rake. It can’t begin a grapple and rake
during the same turn unless it has the pounce ability or some
other ability that allows it to start a grapple and rake during
the same turn.

Pounce
When a creature that has this extraordinary special attack
charges, it can still make a full attack even if it charged while
restricted to a single action. All its attacks receive the +2 bonus
on attack rolls gained from charging. If it uses its attacks to
successfully start a grapple, and it has the rake ability, it can
also make rake attacks.

哦，如果万律的pounce覆盖了MM的怪物个别描述，那确实会变成这种情况，但是这使得狮鹫的rake能力变得很鸡肋并且没有什么用武之地了，因为没精通攫抓的怪擒抱也是要吃AO的

 所以其实是个版本更新导致部分职业变弱的情况……

我们就是在看隔壁区德鲁伊手册的时候写着这个才专门去查了耙抓

[Zero Line]

我模糊记得好像温故而知新骑乘篇里有这个问题？不过那个只说了骑冲没说俯冲好像就第一刀翻倍，但是之后其他攻击可以享受+2冲锋AB修正