[3R]有关奥术大祭司魔宠同伴的几个疑问

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1.进阶奥术大祭司必须与你的魔宠解除关系。但若之前就没有魔宠，是不是也不影响后续魔宠能力的获得。如UA中魔宠变体已将法师/术士的魔宠替换成动物伙伴，是否不影响后续奥术大祭司魔宠变体的获得且与德鲁伊和奥术大祭司的等级叠加决定动物同伴？例如：3法师UA魔宠变体/3德鲁伊/2秘术师/10奥术大祭司/2秘术师，其魔宠同伴是如同13+1=14级德鲁伊拥有的动物同伴吧？

2.奥术大祭司的魔宠同伴是只能奥术大祭司职业等级叠加某一奥术（法师/术士）职业等级，还是全部奥术施法者等级来决定魔宠能力呢？例如：3法师UA魔宠变体/3德鲁伊/2秘术师/10奥术大祭司/2秘术师，其魔宠同伴是拥有如同13级还是17级法师所拥有的魔宠能力呢？

3.若是按奥术大祭司职业等级叠加奥术施法者等级来决定魔宠能力：

若1个混乱邪恶 精灵/半精灵 1吟游诗人/3术士UA魔宠变体/1巡林客/2亵渎祭司/1荒野行者/2奥术大祭司/1超凡之弦/6奥术大祭司/3超魔咒使：
①其亵渎祭司施法者等级是否只能选择术士施法者等级叠加？还是能提前选择超凡之弦的施法者等级来叠加吗？

②其魔宠同伴的魔宠能力选择超凡之弦奥术施法者等级叠加，是否获得如同8奥术大祭司+10超凡之弦+12亵渎祭司=30级（法师/术士）所拥有的魔宠能力呢？

③魔宠同伴的天生防御调整是只由动物伙伴奖励决定，还是也能叠加魔宠的天生防御调整？

4.CAdv有个狂热追踪者专长允许指定特殊坐骑为动物伙伴，可以将坐骑奖励HD、天生防御调整和力量调整等叠加到动物伙伴的奖励HD、天生防御调整，和力量&敏捷调整等特性上。

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狂热追踪者Devoted Tracker [CAdv完美冒险]
你在林地训练和宗教训练中找到了平衡，并将这两方面融合成天衣无缝的整体。
先决条件：追踪，破邪斩，荒野认同。
效果：如果你拥有圣武士和巡林客等级，那么这些等级将累加以确定你的破邪斩能力的附加伤害值和荒野认同职业特性的加值。该专长不会让你获得额外的破邪斩每日使用次数。如果你同时拥有特殊坐骑和动物伙伴职业特性，你可以将特殊坐骑指定为动物伙伴。该坐骑将同时拥有作为你的特殊坐骑和动物伙伴的所有好处。比如，一个5级圣武士/6级巡林客的特殊坐骑将有4个奖励生命骰，+6的天生防御调整，力量+2，敏捷+1，两个奖励把戏，智力为6，同时还有情感链接，精通反射闪避，法术共享，豁免检定共享和特殊能力链接。此外，你可以在圣武士和巡林客职业间自由兼职。你必须保持守序善良才能保有圣武士能力并获取圣武士等级。如果兼职职业间等级差超过一级你仍然会受到正常的经验值惩罚。

但并没说特殊坐骑和动物伙伴的出处一定要是圣武士和巡林客，只是要求“追踪，破邪斩，荒野认同”作为先决条件而已，于是：

①信仰蜜丝特拉的中立善良精灵或半精灵:1吟游诗人/5术士UA魔宠变体/3德鲁伊/1巡林客变体荒野卫士(破邪斩)/1超凡之弦/1神圣驱魔师/1FR蓝月骑士（特殊坐骑）/7奥术大祭司，可以拿到“狂热追踪者”专长。其决定特殊坐骑等效圣武士等级是只能1蓝月骑士等级叠加5奥术（术士）职业等级=6级吗？还是能选择叠加奥术施法者等级eg.超凡之弦吗？

②信仰蜜丝特拉的中立善良精灵或半精灵:1吟游诗人/3术士UA魔宠变体/1牧师(福地领域-破邪斩，魔法领域)/4咒文守护者(+2奥术CL&+2神术CL)/1巡林客/1超凡之弦/1荒野行者/1蓝月骑士（特殊坐骑）/7奥术大祭司，也可拿到“狂热追踪者”专长。但若判决定特殊坐骑等效圣武士等级只能1蓝月骑士叠加3术士职业等级=4级，是否因此无法拿到特殊坐骑的奖励呢？

5.另外，CW有一进阶职业半身人开路骑兵，可以同时叠加圣武士、德鲁伊、巡林客职业等级来决定圣武士坐骑和动物伙伴的特性。

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坐骑：半身人开路骑兵拥有一个自己的坐骑，这头坐骑往往是他所属的半身人团体的财产之一。多数半身人部落都会尽力给他们的开路骑兵配置骑乘用犬或矮种战马。当然，一个半身人开路骑兵也许会选择别的方法来获取更特别的坐骑，比如寻找、训练或收购。缰绳之类的马具自然也少不了供应，同样的，当然也会有角色会想自己购置精制品或魔法装备。半身人开路骑兵职业等级可以和圣武士、德鲁伊、巡林客职业等级累计起来，并由这个累计等级来决定圣武士坐骑和动物伙伴的特性。

于是，对于中立善良半身人 1吟游诗人/5术士UA魔宠变体/3德鲁伊/1巡林客变体荒野卫士(破邪斩)/1超凡之弦/1半身人开路骑兵/8奥术大祭司：
①是否可以叠加1半身人开路骑兵+3德鲁伊+1巡林客=5等效圣武士等级，从而拿到特殊坐骑的奖励呢？

②动物伙伴奖励计算时，巡林客是按1级叠加还是等效为0.5级德鲁伊叠加？5级术士UA魔宠变体是否等效为2.5级德鲁伊叠加呢？
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太强太乱太烂
恐怖恐慌恐惧

咱提一个，一般来说进阶职业并不会给魔宠等级（类似德鲁伊的动物伙伴等级）也就是说你基础法师几级，魔宠等级就是几级（除非有额外说明，比如像奥祭，其他那些进阶职业都没有魔宠等级）
除非你选了获得魔宠这个专长，这样你就可以以全部奥术SCL等级来计算魔宠等级
所以如果你没选这个专长的话，你的魔宠等级就只有基础法师+奥祭的，当然如果你连魔宠都木有的话，那也就没有这个能力了

[simonw]

太强太乱太烂
恐怖恐慌恐惧

咱提一个，一般来说进阶职业并不会给魔宠等级（类似德鲁伊的动物伙伴等级）也就是说你基础法师几级，魔宠等级就是几级（除非有额外说明，比如像奥祭，其他那些进阶职业都没有魔宠等级）
除非你选了获得魔宠这个专长，这样你就可以以全部奥术SCL等级来计算魔宠等级
所以如果你没选这个专长的话，你的魔宠等级就只有基础法师+奥祭的，当然如果你连魔宠都木有的话，那也就没有这个能力了

谢谢初一早上的及时回复。新春快乐！
选了“获得魔宠”这个专长，以超凡之弦奥术SCL叠加，3.②魔宠伙伴就有30级的魔宠能力吧（比主人还聪明的宠物 ）
之前是看奥祭的描述“You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level”以为可以直接叠加了。以及魔宠伙伴按描述是具有魔宠能力的动物伙伴，有魔宠也要解除关系，于是使用UA魔宠变体放弃、还能有动物伙伴等级 。

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Companion Familiar: Upon becoming an arcane hierophant, you must dismiss your familiar, if you have one. (You do not risk losing XP for doing so.) You may retain any one animal companion you already possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your druid or ranger level for purposes of determining your animal companion’s bonus Hit Dice, natural armor adjustment, and Strength/Dexterity adjustment (see the sidebar The Druid’s Animal Companion, page 36 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a character who is a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has the animal companion of an 8th-level druid (+4 bonus HD, +4 natural armor, and +2 Strength/Dexterity adjustment, or an animal companion chosen from the 4thlevel or 7th-level lists).
In addition, your animal companion (if any) gains many of the abilities that a familiar would normally possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level, and determine the Intelligence bonus and special abilities of your animal companion accordingly (see the sidebar Familiars, page 53 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has a familiar companion equal to that of a 7th-level wizard and 8th-level druid (Intelligence 9, alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with master, speak with animals of its kind, devotion).

若是没有魔宠，魔宠伙伴就不能获得魔宠能力，描述中应该会直接说明吧？比如没有野性变身就无法获得奥祭的野性变身能力“If you do not already possess the ability, you gain no new ability to wild shape.”

其实若不是荒野行者限制任意善良或混乱、亵渎祭司限制邪恶，进1级驱逐者（限制任意非混乱）就能拿野性变身 ，于是 1吟游诗人/3术士UA魔宠变体/1巡林客/2亵渎祭司/1荒野行者/1驱逐者/2奥术大祭司/1超凡之弦/5奥术大祭司/3超魔咒使 也算神奥双9吧

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太强太乱太烂
恐怖恐慌恐惧

咱提一个，一般来说进阶职业并不会给魔宠等级（类似德鲁伊的动物伙伴等级）也就是说你基础法师几级，魔宠等级就是几级（除非有额外说明，比如像奥祭，其他那些进阶职业都没有魔宠等级）
除非你选了获得魔宠这个专长，这样你就可以以全部奥术SCL等级来计算魔宠等级
所以如果你没选这个专长的话，你的魔宠等级就只有基础法师+奥祭的，当然如果你连魔宠都木有的话，那也就没有这个能力了

谢谢初一早上的及时回复。新春快乐！
选了“获得魔宠”这个专长，以超凡之弦奥术SCL叠加，3.②魔宠伙伴就有30级的魔宠能力吧（比主人还聪明的宠物 ）
之前是看奥祭的描述“You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level”以为可以直接叠加了。以及魔宠伙伴按描述是具有魔宠能力的动物伙伴，有魔宠也要解除关系，于是使用UA魔宠变体放弃、还能有动物伙伴等级 。

劇透 -   :

Companion Familiar: Upon becoming an arcane hierophant, you must dismiss your familiar, if you have one. (You do not risk losing XP for doing so.) You may retain any one animal companion you already possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your druid or ranger level for purposes of determining your animal companion’s bonus Hit Dice, natural armor adjustment, and Strength/Dexterity adjustment (see the sidebar The Druid’s Animal Companion, page 36 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a character who is a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has the animal companion of an 8th-level druid (+4 bonus HD, +4 natural armor, and +2 Strength/Dexterity adjustment, or an animal companion chosen from the 4thlevel or 7th-level lists).
In addition, your animal companion (if any) gains many of the abilities that a familiar would normally possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level, and determine the Intelligence bonus and special abilities of your animal companion accordingly (see the sidebar Familiars, page 53 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has a familiar companion equal to that of a 7th-level wizard and 8th-level druid (Intelligence 9, alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with master, speak with animals of its kind, devotion).

若是没有魔宠，魔宠伙伴就不能获得魔宠能力，描述中应该会直接说明吧？比如没有野性变身就无法获得奥祭的野性变身能力“If you do not already possess the ability, you gain no new ability to wild shape.”

其实若不是荒野行者限制任意善良或混乱、亵渎祭司限制邪恶，进1级驱逐者（限制任意非混乱）就能拿野性变身 ，于是 1吟游诗人/3术士UA魔宠变体/1巡林客/2亵渎祭司/1荒野行者/1驱逐者/2奥术大祭司/1超凡之弦/5奥术大祭司/3超魔咒使 也算神奥双9吧

新年快乐
这个问题就如同奥祭的自然变身一样....（当然自然变身有那句话所以没问题）
如果严格按照字面意思以不利判决的话，的确可能会把你的魔宠判没了
因为奥祭本身并不给你获得魔宠的能力，它是魔宠伙伴....
其实扩展开那么高了，你完全可以选择龙杂里的一个专长（动物伙伴和魔宠两个等级互相叠加的）

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而且单纯的想神奥双修+强力伙伴的话没必要弄的那么复杂吧....总给人一种很刻意的感觉（不自然啊~ ）不利于圆润的YY嘛
普普通通的眼魔法师配德鲁伊+奥祭感觉就很不错了~
2眼魔法师+5德鲁伊+10奥祭+3秘术师完美的解决双⑨变身强力伙伴等所有问题，简单明了还有丰富的背景可以YY

[simonw]

太强太乱太烂
恐怖恐慌恐惧

咱提一个，一般来说进阶职业并不会给魔宠等级（类似德鲁伊的动物伙伴等级）也就是说你基础法师几级，魔宠等级就是几级（除非有额外说明，比如像奥祭，其他那些进阶职业都没有魔宠等级）
除非你选了获得魔宠这个专长，这样你就可以以全部奥术SCL等级来计算魔宠等级
所以如果你没选这个专长的话，你的魔宠等级就只有基础法师+奥祭的，当然如果你连魔宠都木有的话，那也就没有这个能力了

谢谢初一早上的及时回复。新春快乐！
选了“获得魔宠”这个专长，以超凡之弦奥术SCL叠加，3.②魔宠伙伴就有30级的魔宠能力吧（比主人还聪明的宠物 ）
之前是看奥祭的描述“You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level”以为可以直接叠加了。以及魔宠伙伴按描述是具有魔宠能力的动物伙伴，有魔宠也要解除关系，于是使用UA魔宠变体放弃、还能有动物伙伴等级 。

劇透 -   :

Companion Familiar: Upon becoming an arcane hierophant, you must dismiss your familiar, if you have one. (You do not risk losing XP for doing so.) You may retain any one animal companion you already possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your druid or ranger level for purposes of determining your animal companion’s bonus Hit Dice, natural armor adjustment, and Strength/Dexterity adjustment (see the sidebar The Druid’s Animal Companion, page 36 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a character who is a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has the animal companion of an 8th-level druid (+4 bonus HD, +4 natural armor, and +2 Strength/Dexterity adjustment, or an animal companion chosen from the 4thlevel or 7th-level lists).
In addition, your animal companion (if any) gains many of the abilities that a familiar would normally possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level, and determine the Intelligence bonus and special abilities of your animal companion accordingly (see the sidebar Familiars, page 53 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has a familiar companion equal to that of a 7th-level wizard and 8th-level druid (Intelligence 9, alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with master, speak with animals of its kind, devotion).

若是没有魔宠，魔宠伙伴就不能获得魔宠能力，描述中应该会直接说明吧？比如没有野性变身就无法获得奥祭的野性变身能力“If you do not already possess the ability, you gain no new ability to wild shape.”

其实若不是荒野行者限制任意善良或混乱、亵渎祭司限制邪恶，进1级驱逐者（限制任意非混乱）就能拿野性变身 ，于是 1吟游诗人/3术士UA魔宠变体/1巡林客/2亵渎祭司/1荒野行者/1驱逐者/2奥术大祭司/1超凡之弦/5奥术大祭司/3超魔咒使 也算神奥双9吧

新年快乐
这个问题就如同奥祭的自然变身一样....（当然自然变身有那句话所以没问题）
如果严格按照字面意思以不利判决的话，的确可能会把你的魔宠判没了
因为奥祭本身并不给你获得魔宠的能力，它是魔宠伙伴....
其实扩展开那么高了，你完全可以选择龙杂里的一个专长（动物伙伴和魔宠两个等级互相叠加的）

求龙杂里（动物伙伴和魔宠两个等级互相叠加的）这个专长 
有奥祭肯定开了RotW，所以肯定也有荒野行者。若不是FR背景或ban了超魔咒使，换成其他满SCL奥术进阶都可。对1吟游诗人/3术士/1巡林客/2亵渎祭司/1荒野行者/2奥祭/1超凡之弦/6奥祭/3大法师 开CA,CD,RotW就可以吧？

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1.喵没看明白obtain familiar这个专长怎么突然就用spell casting level决定魔宠啥啥啥的了呢？

For the purpose of determining familiar abilities that
depend on your arcane caster class level, your levels in all
classes that allow you to cast arcane spells stack.

2.关于亵渎祭司，那个计算方式和获得顺序没关系；对比一下它和那种as if he had also gained a level in a xxx class职业就能看出区别了

3.halfing outrider raw的话是能把那些啥啥职业加在一起的
但是arcane hierophant这个不太好说
仔细看看描述

Companion Familiar: Upon becoming an arcane hierophant, you must dismiss your familiar, if you have one. (You do not risk losing XP for doing so.) You may retain any one animal companion you already possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your druid or ranger level for purposes of determining your animal companion’s bonus Hit Dice, natural armor adjustment, and Strength/Dexterity adjustment (see the sidebar The Druid’s Animal Companion, page 36 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a character who is a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has the animal companion of an 8th-level druid (+4 bonus HD, +4 natural armor, and +2 Strength/Dexterity adjustment, or an animal companion chosen from the 4thlevel or 7th-level lists).
In addition, your animal companion (if any) gains many of the abilities that a familiar would normally possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level, and determine the Intelligence bonus and special abilities of your animal companion accordingly (see the sidebar Familiars, page 53 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has a familiar companion equal to that of a 7th-level wizard and 8th-level druid (Intelligence 9, alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with master, speak with animals of its kind, devotion).

这玩意儿神术那边是只能选一个加的……

4.没说能叠加等级决定效果的重复职业特性，是没法叠加的
原则上同样的益处你不能获得两次，除非单独说明
但是像特殊坐骑这种东西喵觉得dm判叠加等级大概也不会出什么大乱子吧……

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另外关于施法者等级
记住除了法术效果之外基本没啥玩意儿是由施法者等级caster level决定效果的就是了
spell casting level、caster level和class level是有关系但是绝对不是一码事的三个东西

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1.喵没看明白obtain familiar这个专长怎么突然就用spell casting level决定魔宠啥啥啥的了呢？

For the purpose of determining familiar abilities that
depend on your arcane caster class level, your levels in all
classes that allow you to cast arcane spells stack.

2.关于亵渎祭司，那个计算方式和获得顺序没关系；对比一下它和那种as if he had also gained a level in a xxx class职业就能看出区别了

3.halfing outrider raw的话是能把那些啥啥职业加在一起的
但是arcane hierophant这个不太好说
仔细看看描述

Companion Familiar: Upon becoming an arcane hierophant, you must dismiss your familiar, if you have one. (You do not risk losing XP for doing so.) You may retain any one animal companion you already possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your druid or ranger level for purposes of determining your animal companion’s bonus Hit Dice, natural armor adjustment, and Strength/Dexterity adjustment (see the sidebar The Druid’s Animal Companion, page 36 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a character who is a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has the animal companion of an 8th-level druid (+4 bonus HD, +4 natural armor, and +2 Strength/Dexterity adjustment, or an animal companion chosen from the 4thlevel or 7th-level lists).
In addition, your animal companion (if any) gains many of the abilities that a familiar would normally possess. You add your arcane hierophant class level to your arcane spellcasting class level, and determine the Intelligence bonus and special abilities of your animal companion accordingly (see the sidebar Familiars, page 53 of the Player’s Handbook). For example, a 4th-level druid/3rd-level wizard/4th-level arcane hierophant has a familiar companion equal to that of a 7th-level wizard and 8th-level druid (Intelligence 9, alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link, deliver touch spells, speak with master, speak with animals of its kind, devotion).

这玩意儿神术那边是只能选一个加的……

4.没说能叠加等级决定效果的重复职业特性，是没法叠加的
原则上同样的益处你不能获得两次，除非单独说明
但是像特殊坐骑这种东西喵觉得dm判叠加等级大概也不会出什么大乱子吧……

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好吧看到翻译了
3版的翻译质量（望天