关于漫展/桌游展跑团

[南村辉]

我想玩点老外玩剩下的
就是那种在展览上好几桌子跑同一个主题的团，当日结束后大家统计一些数据得出一个结果这样的
最简单的比如就是大家从不同的入口打通地城，里面有大量的计时陷阱，只有耗时最短的小队才能拿到宝藏（对抗、竞速）
或者大家去不同的区域去解决同一个邪教教派的邪恶仪式，他们在城市里布置了五个传送门，想放出地狱的恶魔（合作）
其他的各种积分制或者进阶一点的设计我暂时没什么考虑
如果可以的话我今年可汗大会想要看看有没有机会搞一个3-5个主持人规模的（毕竟第一次，小一点就小一点）
规则选择上我偏向于COC7、DND5这类比较大众的规则，或者比较好上手的轻规则
但是我不太清楚这类东西需要注意什么，除了模组和设计肯定要注意的，我缺点想法。

[Mounrou]

Usually.
1) Time > How long does it take.
2) Loots > In this case its more "Easter Eggs/Hidden Objects", as in objects and clues not obvious to find. (No random treasures here.)
3) Methods > What ways and how you solve puzzles/situations.
4) Goals > How many goals have been accomplished? If there's more than one.

Usually its separate groups going through the same dungeon, sometimes with pre-gen PCs for "fairness", and then you tally up the results and compare.
Easiest way would be room-by-room straight line dungeons, with one theme each room from either "Skill/Trap", "Puzzle" or "Combat"

Putting multiple groups in same dungeon, you'd get at least a few who wanna turn it into a PvP arena.

PvP arena, or pure "Horde Survival", could be a thing too.

Anyhow you wanna make it as close to zero-learning/prepping on the player side as possible.

[南村辉]

我不太想让玩家交互
说实话从游戏设计的角度上来讲交互其实是个好想法
但是从实际操作的调整中来说，这太难了
我认为最多也就是让玩家在达成某些条件后（比如修复了地城中的一些神像）会给其他人一些影响（比如加BUFF），但是真的让两组玩家见面……饶了我吧

[Mounrou]

So just do it the usual way FIRST, and make them run the same dungeon separately and then compare successes.
(Just to clarify, I mean give them the same dungeon, but they are actually in different separate dungeons. NEVER put them TOGETHER in ONE dungeon, that's just a prelude to PvP.)

You can try different stuffs after you get used to it.

[南村辉]

我不疯的话应该不会让玩家直接交互变成PVP ，在同一个地城也会是那种会把玩家完全隔绝开的地城——不会让玩家有接触的，当然作为这种特殊形式肯定有他独特的互动模式，只不过我不希望那是直接接触
玩家们会像是平行线一样前进，在各自短暂的故事中并不交汇，但是这不意味着他们的光不能照耀彼此

[Mounrou]

That could work.

Just make sure the penalties aren't too severe.

>Something like a "dripping horde" where you have a box full of goblins, the 1st group to fight them will have x, the next group x+1, the on after x+2, etc.

>A split corridor where there's only one easy route and one hard route, and the first to solve the puzzle will get the "easy" route. (additional bonus: The easy route have an avoidable deadly trap that the hard one don't.)

>A set number of runes in a room where you have to collect all to get past, but a key rune is placed in increasingly hard locations.

etc.

[南村辉]

唔，我不是很想考虑进度制，因为这意味着DM在带团的时候必须时刻盯着手机或者其他电子设备上的讯息，以此实时追踪其他人的进度。（或者让他们在会场跑来跑去通知？拜托，2021年了，我们是现代人。）
不仅如此我会考虑完全相反的方式
我希望越是进度靠后的玩家会受到越多的帮助，或者遇到更容易的挑战（当然，这对玩家来说是不公开的，我不希望玩家因此主动拖延进度）
一方面是我不希望先通关的玩家等待太久（他们围观进度靠后的玩家，也会给靠后的玩家带来一定的压力）
另一方面我认为大家互相帮助是一件很有趣的事情，如果有一队玩家进度一直比较靠前，那么就意味着他们不会受到任何帮助，我认为需要给他们一些强敌让他们进度放缓（或者让其他人加快步伐），当然这也有可能导致一支超——强的队伍一直面临最强的敌人但是什么帮助都得不到……但是我认为只要难度控制好，这个情况是可以在绝大多数情况下规避的。

[Mounrou]

That's not a "competitive" dungeon, but closer to a "co-op" dungeon. (Okay, mildly competitive co-op dungeon.)

Just flip everything in reverse. v=3=v

One particular point though: Make sure your dungeon is still winnable even if there is only one  group left.
Because sometimes people do get stuck on the easiest thing possible. You don't want other groups feeling they get dragged down by somebody else... Unless its intentional of course.

[南村辉]

我的本意其实比起竞争也更偏向于合作，毕竟一支小队击败的魔王挺起来就比数支小队击败的魔王要弱一些
甚至可以更环境性叙事一些，这个魔王有四个分身（或者巫妖的四个命匣），必须全部杀死

[魔法旋律]

去年可汗 coc 搞了个 epic 团，我几个一起跑团的朋友上个月还讨论过 dnd 这样的形式好不好弄，感觉挺难的，一是优化水平很容易出现较大差距，二是联动的越多对 dm 负担也越大